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	<title>Comments on: Who pays attention to science, anyway?</title>
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		<title>By: a p garcia</title>
		<link>http://blogs.earthsky.org/orionkriegman/science/07129/who-pays-attention-to-science-anyway/#comment-362</link>
		<dc:creator>a p garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Aug 2007 23:37:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no idea how many readers have attended a debate where professors debate their papers.  Very rarely is there ever a conseous among these scientist! This happens very often unless a Canon of Science is proven. Something like Kock's postilutes, Maxwell's Equations and etc.  Remember there was a conseous of scientist during the 14th Century that the Earth was flat and the Earth was the center of the universe!  So conseous of scientist means nothing but what a majority of scientist think.  It does not mean that they are right, just look at scientist during the 14th Cenatury.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no idea how many readers have attended a debate where professors debate their papers.  Very rarely is there ever a conseous among these scientist! This happens very often unless a Canon of Science is proven. Something like Kock&#8217;s postilutes, Maxwell&#8217;s Equations and etc.  Remember there was a conseous of scientist during the 14th Century that the Earth was flat and the Earth was the center of the universe!  So conseous of scientist means nothing but what a majority of scientist think.  It does not mean that they are right, just look at scientist during the 14th Cenatury.</p>
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		<title>By: Ann</title>
		<link>http://blogs.earthsky.org/orionkriegman/science/07129/who-pays-attention-to-science-anyway/#comment-319</link>
		<dc:creator>Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 07:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Helped me lot… thanks for such a informative article</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Helped me lot… thanks for such a informative article</p>
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		<title>By: orionkriegman</title>
		<link>http://blogs.earthsky.org/orionkriegman/science/07129/who-pays-attention-to-science-anyway/#comment-231</link>
		<dc:creator>orionkriegman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 20:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The other day I was asking my friends how a digital camera works. We all had a basic sense of photos, light hitting a film and leaving an impression. So we all assumed that a digital camera worked in much the same fashion, light hits a sensor of some sort and this registers instantly. But beyond that, none of us really understood the magic of the camera.

I know really smart, well-educated scientists who can't accurately explain basic concepts of evolutionary theory, like natural selection. In fact, most people probably don't understand it, even if they do accept evolution as an explanation for life.

As science gets more complicated, I think it moves into a space of magic for most people. And systems science is made even more obscure because it is a science of probabilities. The science of global warming is not just poorly explained and clouded with misinformation, it is genuinely hard to understand. Even harder to want to understand it -- since the details are mathematical and tedious.

At the Kennedy School of Government, where public policy makers are trained, it was drilled into me that busy people don't have time to read even a 3-page memo -- they need a summary abstract and highlights. They hire aides to examine the details and make recommendations.

So I suppose a scientist aide to a policy maker will be curious about the IPCC reports. But I doubt we can expect the general public to ever fully digest the issues and questions of climate change -- public arguments generally boil down to who do you trust to do your thinking for you. Luckily, most people go with the flow -- and in this case, the growing consensus is that global warming is a threat that we need to address. 

The debate therefore has shifted to "how"? "How" is an inherently political question -- involving trade offs of budgetary priorities. But again, policy makers will look to scientists for guidance as to what is an acceptable level of risk...will the general public weigh in on this question? I am genuinely curious how science matters in such debates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The other day I was asking my friends how a digital camera works. We all had a basic sense of photos, light hitting a film and leaving an impression. So we all assumed that a digital camera worked in much the same fashion, light hits a sensor of some sort and this registers instantly. But beyond that, none of us really understood the magic of the camera.</p>
<p>I know really smart, well-educated scientists who can&#8217;t accurately explain basic concepts of evolutionary theory, like natural selection. In fact, most people probably don&#8217;t understand it, even if they do accept evolution as an explanation for life.</p>
<p>As science gets more complicated, I think it moves into a space of magic for most people. And systems science is made even more obscure because it is a science of probabilities. The science of global warming is not just poorly explained and clouded with misinformation, it is genuinely hard to understand. Even harder to want to understand it &#8212; since the details are mathematical and tedious.</p>
<p>At the Kennedy School of Government, where public policy makers are trained, it was drilled into me that busy people don&#8217;t have time to read even a 3-page memo &#8212; they need a summary abstract and highlights. They hire aides to examine the details and make recommendations.</p>
<p>So I suppose a scientist aide to a policy maker will be curious about the IPCC reports. But I doubt we can expect the general public to ever fully digest the issues and questions of climate change &#8212; public arguments generally boil down to who do you trust to do your thinking for you. Luckily, most people go with the flow &#8212; and in this case, the growing consensus is that global warming is a threat that we need to address. </p>
<p>The debate therefore has shifted to &#8220;how&#8221;? &#8220;How&#8221; is an inherently political question &#8212; involving trade offs of budgetary priorities. But again, policy makers will look to scientists for guidance as to what is an acceptable level of risk&#8230;will the general public weigh in on this question? I am genuinely curious how science matters in such debates.</p>
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		<title>By: 2wicky</title>
		<link>http://blogs.earthsky.org/orionkriegman/science/07129/who-pays-attention-to-science-anyway/#comment-230</link>
		<dc:creator>2wicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 20:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Scientists are reaching out - so would anyone else that was drowning.
Here's a great article from popsci that illustrates how much fake science we're all inundated with: www.popsci.com/popsci/science/65510b4511b84010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html

I hope that a change in administration will do us some good - I was a Texas resident when (then Governor) Bush made good on his campaign promise to make every school in Texas a blue ribbon school... by lowering the standards so much that an elementary school in my district with almost a 30% hold-back rate and 4 sexual attacks by teachers on students is now (still) a 'blue ribbon school'.  I'm just glad he didn't work so hard to keep his presidential campaign promises.

With people _that dedicated_ to education running our country, it's not so surprising that 1 in 5 Americans think the Sun goes around the Earth: www.nytimes.com/2005/08/30/science/30profile.html?ex=1184472000&#38;en=1a5177950502a289&#38;ei=5070</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Scientists are reaching out - so would anyone else that was drowning.<br />
Here&#8217;s a great article from popsci that illustrates how much fake science we&#8217;re all inundated with: <a href="http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/65510b4511b84010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.popsci.com/popsci/science/65510b4511b84010vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd.html</a></p>
<p>I hope that a change in administration will do us some good - I was a Texas resident when (then Governor) Bush made good on his campaign promise to make every school in Texas a blue ribbon school&#8230; by lowering the standards so much that an elementary school in my district with almost a 30% hold-back rate and 4 sexual attacks by teachers on students is now (still) a &#8216;blue ribbon school&#8217;.  I&#8217;m just glad he didn&#8217;t work so hard to keep his presidential campaign promises.</p>
<p>With people _that dedicated_ to education running our country, it&#8217;s not so surprising that 1 in 5 Americans think the Sun goes around the Earth: <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/30/science/30profile.html?ex=1184472000&amp;en=1a5177950502a289&amp;ei=5070" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/30/science/30profile.html?ex=1184472000&amp;en=1a5177950502a289&amp;ei=5070</a></p>
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		<title>By: mark baard</title>
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		<dc:creator>mark baard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2007 13:09:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Orion,

Great post, great blog.

I blame my fellow journalists for the mistrust. Reporters, particularly on television, present administration denials and caveats as half of the story, for fear of appearing imbalanced. I believe they should be presenting the truth (as they see it), based on the facts.

But people have every good reason to distrust scientists, with so many of them on the payrolls of major corporations, and working in the service of government agendas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Orion,</p>
<p>Great post, great blog.</p>
<p>I blame my fellow journalists for the mistrust. Reporters, particularly on television, present administration denials and caveats as half of the story, for fear of appearing imbalanced. I believe they should be presenting the truth (as they see it), based on the facts.</p>
<p>But people have every good reason to distrust scientists, with so many of them on the payrolls of major corporations, and working in the service of government agendas.</p>
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		<title>By: deborahbyrd</title>
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		<dc:creator>deborahbyrd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've worked in the world of science education for 30 years.  Gosh, would I have gone into this field 30 years ago if I'd thought people would be so much &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; resistant to science now than they were then?  I thought, we all thought, things would get better not worse.  But we were wrong.

And yet ... I'm still hopeful.  Call me crazy.  But I think sometimes things have to bottom out before they can get better.  I know that scientists nowadays are coming out of their ivory towers much more than when I was young.  They are speaking out ... and trying to help.  Maybe a change in U.S. administrations will make a difference as well.

Deborah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve worked in the world of science education for 30 years.  Gosh, would I have gone into this field 30 years ago if I&#8217;d thought people would be so much <i>more</i> resistant to science now than they were then?  I thought, we all thought, things would get better not worse.  But we were wrong.</p>
<p>And yet &#8230; I&#8217;m still hopeful.  Call me crazy.  But I think sometimes things have to bottom out before they can get better.  I know that scientists nowadays are coming out of their ivory towers much more than when I was young.  They are speaking out &#8230; and trying to help.  Maybe a change in U.S. administrations will make a difference as well.</p>
<p>Deborah</p>
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		<title>By: 2wicky</title>
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		<dc:creator>2wicky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course the general population isn't paying attention to science.  There's so much pseudoscience out there making ridiculous claims that a normal American with little or no science education doesn't have time to wade through all the crap, and doesn't have the mental tools to discern between garbage and the real thing.

I'm glad you linked to curezone - I'd never heard of it, or seen such a huge collection of unmitigated crap.  They should change their slogan to "mis-informing and hocking snake-oil."  It's both reassuring and completely devestating that the people who think global warming is caused by starlight at cosmic positioning also think that AIDS isn't infectious because oxygen kills HIV, Saturn in retrograde is the cause of colds and constipation because astrology is the major determining factor in daily health, and while smoking tobacco doesn't cause cancer because "Native Americans never got lung cancer", getting vaccines and not sweating does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course the general population isn&#8217;t paying attention to science.  There&#8217;s so much pseudoscience out there making ridiculous claims that a normal American with little or no science education doesn&#8217;t have time to wade through all the crap, and doesn&#8217;t have the mental tools to discern between garbage and the real thing.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m glad you linked to curezone - I&#8217;d never heard of it, or seen such a huge collection of unmitigated crap.  They should change their slogan to &#8220;mis-informing and hocking snake-oil.&#8221;  It&#8217;s both reassuring and completely devestating that the people who think global warming is caused by starlight at cosmic positioning also think that AIDS isn&#8217;t infectious because oxygen kills HIV, Saturn in retrograde is the cause of colds and constipation because astrology is the major determining factor in daily health, and while smoking tobacco doesn&#8217;t cause cancer because &#8220;Native Americans never got lung cancer&#8221;, getting vaccines and not sweating does.</p>
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		<title>By: sglasson</title>
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		<dc:creator>sglasson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Jul 2007 18:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well that solves the global warming issue (at least takes it out of our hands). Score one for science. I don't know what is more scary, thinking the warming effect is in our hands or thinking that it's not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well that solves the global warming issue (at least takes it out of our hands). Score one for science. I don&#8217;t know what is more scary, thinking the warming effect is in our hands or thinking that it&#8217;s not.</p>
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