Comments on: We helped 2 whales (maybe) but didn’t do much for the rest of the world’s whales. http://blogs.earthsky.org/eleanorimster/animals/060419/we-helped-2-whales-maybe-but-didnt-do-much-for-the-rest-of-the-worlds-whales/ Body & mind, animals in a human world Fri, 16 May 2008 02:43:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=wordpress-mu-1.2.1 By: sam http://blogs.earthsky.org/eleanorimster/animals/060419/we-helped-2-whales-maybe-but-didnt-do-much-for-the-rest-of-the-worlds-whales/#comment-65 sam Sat, 09 Jun 2007 14:44:49 +0000 http://blogs.earthsky.org/eleanorimster/animals/060419/we-helped-2-whales-maybe-but-didnt-do-much-for-the-rest-of-the-worlds-whales/#comment-65 plastic trash bags should be done away with. pine trees where used in the production of paper bags. these trees grow qickly and break down in the ocean. i blame ill informed and easily led liberals for doing away with the production of paper bags. see how their ill informed and kneejerk reactions ( yet well intention )have effected other creatures? i belive the hearts of these people are in the right place yet they are easily misled by the corruption of those that would speak to them of the wrongness of all that might lead them. plastic bags also have been found in the gut of many turtles washed ashore along the coast.look people are going to buy boats and most people will forget and allow the plastic to blow overboard. im not an advocat for the paper bags producers of america but i do want something either digestible or biodegradable. plastic trash bags should be done away with. pine trees where used in the production of paper bags. these trees grow qickly and break down in the ocean. i blame ill informed and easily led liberals for doing away with the production of paper bags. see how their ill informed and kneejerk reactions ( yet well intention )have effected other creatures? i belive the hearts of these people are in the right place yet they are easily misled by the corruption of those that would speak to them of the wrongness of all that might lead them. plastic bags also have been found in the gut of many turtles washed ashore along the coast.look people are going to buy boats and most people will forget and allow the plastic to blow overboard. im not an advocat for the paper bags producers of america but i do want something either digestible or biodegradable.

]]> By: sglasson http://blogs.earthsky.org/eleanorimster/animals/060419/we-helped-2-whales-maybe-but-didnt-do-much-for-the-rest-of-the-worlds-whales/#comment-63 sglasson Thu, 07 Jun 2007 13:55:25 +0000 http://blogs.earthsky.org/eleanorimster/animals/060419/we-helped-2-whales-maybe-but-didnt-do-much-for-the-rest-of-the-worlds-whales/#comment-63 That's terrible that people littered trash bags in the ocean. As for this loophole, it looks like we need to get more specific as to what use the whales can be, so they're not used commercially. That’s terrible that people littered trash bags in the ocean. As for this loophole, it looks like we need to get more specific as to what use the whales can be, so they’re not used commercially.

]]> By: sam http://blogs.earthsky.org/eleanorimster/animals/060419/we-helped-2-whales-maybe-but-didnt-do-much-for-the-rest-of-the-worlds-whales/#comment-62 sam Tue, 05 Jun 2007 20:15:27 +0000 http://blogs.earthsky.org/eleanorimster/animals/060419/we-helped-2-whales-maybe-but-didnt-do-much-for-the-rest-of-the-worlds-whales/#comment-62 its easier to care about what is front of eyes,reality, or whatever. you can see something with your own eyes and your brain or heart simply reaches out. but if you hear of it or read about it or see it on tv you are disconnected from it somehow...anyway she told me it was in fact a pilot whale around 25 ft and that she hadent thought of it in a while until i brought it up this morning.she also told me that the qutopsy of it revealed plastic trash bags in its digestive system was the assumed culprit in its demise.thank goodness that simple good nature rules people into caring. its easier to care about what is front of eyes,reality, or whatever. you can see something with your own eyes and your brain or heart simply reaches out. but if you hear of it or read about it or see it on tv you are disconnected from it somehow…anyway she told me it was in fact a pilot whale around 25 ft and that she hadent thought of it in a while until i brought it up this morning.she also told me that the qutopsy of it revealed plastic trash bags in its digestive system was the assumed culprit in its demise.thank goodness that simple good nature rules people into caring.

]]> By: eimster http://blogs.earthsky.org/eleanorimster/animals/060419/we-helped-2-whales-maybe-but-didnt-do-much-for-the-rest-of-the-worlds-whales/#comment-60 eimster Tue, 05 Jun 2007 15:04:50 +0000 http://blogs.earthsky.org/eleanorimster/animals/060419/we-helped-2-whales-maybe-but-didnt-do-much-for-the-rest-of-the-worlds-whales/#comment-60 Sam: It's funny that it's sometimes easier to care about two individual whales, and harder to care about all whales. I think that's in our human nature as well. Eleanor Sam:

It’s funny that it’s sometimes easier to care about two individual whales, and harder to care about all whales. I think that’s in our human nature as well.

Eleanor

]]> By: sam http://blogs.earthsky.org/eleanorimster/animals/060419/we-helped-2-whales-maybe-but-didnt-do-much-for-the-rest-of-the-worlds-whales/#comment-59 sam Tue, 05 Jun 2007 05:39:43 +0000 http://blogs.earthsky.org/eleanorimster/animals/060419/we-helped-2-whales-maybe-but-didnt-do-much-for-the-rest-of-the-worlds-whales/#comment-59 a couple of years ago my girlfriend heard on the news that a large pilot(i think it was a pilot whale it was large and black and whales are not my area) whale had beached itself on the shore of jetty park. she worked there at the time and it happened after she left for the day. we returned and for about an hour and a half she joined others in rushing with buckets to the surf to get seawater to keep the whale wet until seaworld people arrived. thius whale was around 40 feet long and i knew it was done for because it could not be moved, yet i learned a new respect for her love of this creature and her world when i wouldnt waste energy to help yet she tried as hard as the others to save it. it was not a proud moment for me but i knew the outcome as if i were madam cleo. after a while the seaworld people arrived from orlando and euthonized the whale. they injected something into it and it thrashed for just a moment or so and i felt the horror not just for the whale but for everyone that tried to save it. i will never forget this feeling as i can empathize through my girlfriends pure intent to simply help and her pain that it was for nothing. i knew this was going to happen because it was simply huge and heavy and yet i cannot tell you how bad i felt at knowing how hard they all tried. this is one of many many reasons i belive that no matter what your political religeous or for that matter any belief that all humans are hardwired to care. if those whales were simply media fodder or real concern or even political news, alll of us care in one way or another and the coverage was for the better. a couple of years ago my girlfriend heard on the news that a large pilot(i think it was a pilot whale it was large and black and whales are not my area) whale had beached itself on the shore of jetty park. she worked there at the time and it happened after she left for the day. we returned and for about an hour and a half she joined others in rushing with buckets to the surf to get seawater to keep the whale wet until seaworld people arrived. thius whale was around 40 feet long and i knew it was done for because it could not be moved, yet i learned a new respect for her love of this creature and her world when i wouldnt waste energy to help yet she tried as hard as the others to save it. it was not a proud moment for me but i knew the outcome as if i were madam cleo. after a while the seaworld people arrived from orlando and euthonized the whale. they injected something into it and it thrashed for just a moment or so and i felt the horror not just for the whale but for everyone that tried to save it. i will never forget this feeling as i can empathize through my girlfriends pure intent to simply help and her pain that it was for nothing. i knew this was going to happen because it was simply huge and heavy and yet i cannot tell you how bad i felt at knowing how hard they all tried. this is one of many many reasons i belive that no matter what your political religeous or for that matter any belief that all humans are hardwired to care. if those whales were simply media fodder or real concern or even political news, alll of us care in one way or another and the coverage was for the better.

]]> By: Lisa http://blogs.earthsky.org/eleanorimster/animals/060419/we-helped-2-whales-maybe-but-didnt-do-much-for-the-rest-of-the-worlds-whales/#comment-56 Lisa Mon, 04 Jun 2007 20:07:06 +0000 http://blogs.earthsky.org/eleanorimster/animals/060419/we-helped-2-whales-maybe-but-didnt-do-much-for-the-rest-of-the-worlds-whales/#comment-56 I was very proud of our deep concern for Delta and Dawn and hope that one day all endangered animals will be cared for by humans. I was very proud of our deep concern for Delta and Dawn and hope that one day all endangered animals will be cared for by humans.

]]> By: deborahbyrd http://blogs.earthsky.org/eleanorimster/animals/060419/we-helped-2-whales-maybe-but-didnt-do-much-for-the-rest-of-the-worlds-whales/#comment-55 deborahbyrd Mon, 04 Jun 2007 19:44:28 +0000 http://blogs.earthsky.org/eleanorimster/animals/060419/we-helped-2-whales-maybe-but-didnt-do-much-for-the-rest-of-the-worlds-whales/#comment-55 The extreme interest in the fate of <a href="http://www.earthsky.org/article/humpback-whales-stranded-in-sacramento-river" rel="nofollow">the lost whales, Delta and Dawn</a> from people around the world shows how much we humans care about whales ... Maybe because they are mammals, like us? The extreme interest in the fate of the lost whales, Delta and Dawn from people around the world shows how much we humans care about whales …

Maybe because they are mammals, like us?

]]> By: Chris Butler-Stroud http://blogs.earthsky.org/eleanorimster/animals/060419/we-helped-2-whales-maybe-but-didnt-do-much-for-the-rest-of-the-worlds-whales/#comment-54 Chris Butler-Stroud Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:39:58 +0000 http://blogs.earthsky.org/eleanorimster/animals/060419/we-helped-2-whales-maybe-but-didnt-do-much-for-the-rest-of-the-worlds-whales/#comment-54 Jorgesalazar quite rightly notes that so-called 'scientific whaling' under whatever excuse, including for the spurious reason of culling whales to produce more fish, is a loophole that the original drafters of the Intenational Convention for the Regulation of Whaling (ICRW) never contemplated being so abused. However, never let it be said that the IWC 'allows' Japan, Norway and Iceland to get away with this. It's simply that the IWC has no teeth to sanction these countries for their self-allocated quotas. And these quotas are just that, self-allocated based on political targets, not given by anybody but the three governments concerned. Indeed, the IWC has repeatedly condemned these three country's whaling, and its the whalers who want to see the IWC fail. Jorgesalazar quite rightly notes that so-called ’scientific whaling’ under whatever excuse, including for the spurious reason of culling whales to produce more fish, is a loophole that the original drafters of the Intenational Convention for the Regulation of Whaling (ICRW) never contemplated being so abused. However, never let it be said that the IWC ‘allows’ Japan, Norway and Iceland to get away with this. It’s simply that the IWC has no teeth to sanction these countries for their self-allocated quotas. And these quotas are just that, self-allocated based on political targets, not given by anybody but the three governments concerned. Indeed, the IWC has repeatedly condemned these three country’s whaling, and its the whalers who want to see the IWC fail.

]]> By: jorgesalazar http://blogs.earthsky.org/eleanorimster/animals/060419/we-helped-2-whales-maybe-but-didnt-do-much-for-the-rest-of-the-worlds-whales/#comment-53 jorgesalazar Mon, 04 Jun 2007 18:06:59 +0000 http://blogs.earthsky.org/eleanorimster/animals/060419/we-helped-2-whales-maybe-but-didnt-do-much-for-the-rest-of-the-worlds-whales/#comment-53 I can understand subsistence whaling, but the exceptions to the ban on commercial whaling granted to Japan, Iceland, and Norway make less sense. Culling whales to protect fish stocks or for "scientific research," and then allowing them to be sold on the market seems more like a loophole. I can understand subsistence whaling, but the exceptions to the ban on commercial whaling granted to Japan, Iceland, and Norway make less sense. Culling whales to protect fish stocks or for “scientific research,” and then allowing them to be sold on the market seems more like a loophole.

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